AltME: REBOL3

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Rebolek
So Carl asks "why are people moving forward with Red as oposed to building on Rebol 3?" and then he mentions that he is working on Rebol 4. In private, not using the public open repo. I guess he answered his own question.
Arnold
Red also started before R3 was open sourced.
I agree with you John that it would have been easier to fix things in R2 then create them in R3. Facts are R2 is closed source and investors interests prohibit open sourcing that. R3 development had already started also as closed source from RT. Carl has managed to free this source from investors interest and could give this source out. But then asking why there is no development is asking for the sake of asking. Nobody was maintaining its source!
Geomol
About succeeding, we already have had success in many situations with these languages (and some crash and burns). I am using the World language every day to do things, I couldn't do with any other language, i know of, in such a short time.
And I use Rebol often, e.g. to produce LaTeX documents using NicomDoc 2, I developed in R2:
http://www.fys.ku.dk/~niclasen/nicomdoc/
Other students at university can't understand, how I can produce LaTeX documents so fast. They have never seen anything like it.
And I have great success these days and weeks developing software in World to produce HW accelerated graphics and 24-bit/96kHz audio. I have waited almost 30 years, since I got my Amiga500, to be able to do the things, I do now. I can thank Carl for showing the way to efficient languages. I use AGG graphics from DRAW in R2 to create the GUI, and it looks very nice. A bit annoying, that I have to go to my Windows PC to have R2 produce the text, as DRAW doesn't work well with fonts under OS X, but it is doable.
We should remember all the good things, and then keep on going to make things even better.
Geomol
(I should say, that the gfx and audio, I'm doing, is in a combination of World and C code, but World working as the scripting part makes the whole thing so much easier. My experiences with this can lead to further development of World.)
Arnold
@Rebolek This 'plan' is still very dependend on getting the access to the repo.
I expected the volunteers to apply in big numbers now I threatened to be willing to help with that. ;-)
Maxim
Arnold, I think you don't understand how Git works.  if you fork the R3 repo you have all of the repo.  there is no need to have access to the repo, you can build your own "official" repo, just like HF did with ren/C.  
the work is about attracting people to your project, if Carl isn't maintaining *his* copy of R3, then that copy is dead... you can work on yours (or another's) and hope it will be good enough to build a community around it.
Arnold
No Maxim, I don't think you understand how this works. There can be a 100 forks, but there is only 1 that is regarded as leading. In our case that one is not maintained and therefor R3 is not maintained, there is no consensus between forks. Outsiders look at the repo and see it is dead as a dodo and so regard R3 not as a viable alternative.
Kaj
R3 is dead, long live R4!
With the emphasis on long
Maxim
yes, Rebol/R3 is dead in terms of development that is true.  Ren-C IS the currently active Rebol3 project.  that's just how it is.
DocKimbel
It is doubtful that Carl would drop the R3 codebase to start from scratch again. I bet that R4 would be more like a re-branding of [R3 + something else].
Another option could also be a "specialized" R3 version for a given domain, like embedded devices.

Arnold
We need a !REBOL4 Group!
And "we" need to take over control over the repo immediately.
Pekr
If there is going to be any repo, maybe it is going to be closed source again :-)
Arnold
If it is closed, in my opinion he better save the effort of creating it.
Rebolek
Why? I believe Carls has fun creating it. Isn't it good enough reason? :)

Marco
I'd like to show a window with a progress bar that show the progress of a download taking place and with a "Cancel" button to stop it  same as request-download. How can I do it in R3? I am able to create the window with widgets but don't know the net part, any hint?
Maarten
>> yes, Rebol/R3 is dead in terms of development that is true.  Ren-C IS the currently active Rebol3 project.  that's just how it is
I disagree - we have the Atronix fork and that works pretty well. Good enough to bridge the gap until REDhas TCP and more UI backends

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