I would want R3 on Android with GUI, GPS, Camera support. And R3 64 bit Linux server side ("Core").
"encappable" of course. What do we need to make that happen in terms of development time? Then, how much money do we need fo rthat (nt all developers need to be paid full-time, some do it as hobby). Etc.
Do you see my point? For a target, we need to estbalish a time/money budget and ratio.
Yes, absolutely. Any good open source projects to use as a model? :-\
Because, if I set R3 for development against Scala/Lift/Akka in back ends, it's a long way.... Same on mobile: there's Livecode, Corona, all of them more mature. So if I treat R3 as an "investment" of sorts, the risk/reward ratio needs to be established
Look at the Scala ecosystem (Akka, Lift, Play). Rails. ...
Right, but how did they get funding and support? For Rails, at least, they wanted to build the tool for their own use. And they're built on top of other infrastructures.
Someone has to say it's worth it to them to pay for some pieces.
Sun paid for Java, IBM paid for Eclipse. They thought they would benefit somehow.
And users have to care about what these new tools bring to the table.
Bit of both in my view. Money to support full time development. And the knowlegde to know how to is also sparse. A little bit extra on info and tutorial like stuff could maybe get some more people started. Google's summer of code like the HAIKU project is putting to use is beyond reach for the small base of devs for instance. We are on the other hand lucky to have the enthousiastic giants we have now. It is enough to let the projects live on, but not in the way blooming as we feel should be the case. Yet the progress even in the last weeks is a great accomplishment, cannot be said enough..
(that was my answer for Maartens question from 3:23:44 PM
Some heads must be seriously be put together to talk about financing the community effort.
One of my views is a way of providing a webhosting service based on REBOL/Red and additional open source technology.
If we had a monetary amount needed, would it be possible to write up a Kickstarter campaign to fund R3 development?
shure, as long as you have a precise end-result with milestones, time estimates, and realistic goals.
but would it actually end up working?
My gut feeling is that it would be tough. You need good rewards to entice people, and our community is small.
We need more momentum. Meaning a small usable base to start serious advocating the pro's with and possibilities of generating a little money. Attracting young programmers/students willing to contribute, one advantage for students is that not everything is carved in stone yet. (Only what we want to achieve and the toolset is chosen)
So you could start with a small Kickstarter campaign just to get some momentum going, and then maybe follow it up with a larger one once momentum is up.
Still tough. Who is going to pledge that doesn't already?
If we can pitch something about it that would appeal to the general public (easy-to-develop apps for Android that also run on embedded systems and full computers), then maybe we'll get some new interest. Especially for popular Kickstarter search terms like Android, Raspberry Pi, Arduino, etc.