Someone has to say it's worth it to them to pay for some pieces.
Sun paid for Java, IBM paid for Eclipse. They thought they would benefit somehow.
And users have to care about what these new tools bring to the table.
Bit of both in my view. Money to support full time development. And the knowlegde to know how to is also sparse. A little bit extra on info and tutorial like stuff could maybe get some more people started. Google's summer of code like the HAIKU project is putting to use is beyond reach for the small base of devs for instance. We are on the other hand lucky to have the enthousiastic giants we have now. It is enough to let the projects live on, but not in the way blooming as we feel should be the case. Yet the progress even in the last weeks is a great accomplishment, cannot be said enough..
(that was my answer for Maartens question from 3:23:44 PM
Some heads must be seriously be put together to talk about financing the community effort.
One of my views is a way of providing a webhosting service based on REBOL/Red and additional open source technology.
If we had a monetary amount needed, would it be possible to write up a Kickstarter campaign to fund R3 development?
shure, as long as you have a precise end-result with milestones, time estimates, and realistic goals.
but would it actually end up working?
My gut feeling is that it would be tough. You need good rewards to entice people, and our community is small.
We need more momentum. Meaning a small usable base to start serious advocating the pro's with and possibilities of generating a little money. Attracting young programmers/students willing to contribute, one advantage for students is that not everything is carved in stone yet. (Only what we want to achieve and the toolset is chosen)
So you could start with a small Kickstarter campaign just to get some momentum going, and then maybe follow it up with a larger one once momentum is up.
Still tough. Who is going to pledge that doesn't already?
If we can pitch something about it that would appeal to the general public (easy-to-develop apps for Android that also run on embedded systems and full computers), then maybe we'll get some new interest. Especially for popular Kickstarter search terms like Android, Raspberry Pi, Arduino, etc.
"General public" meaning the general geek public.
It's the IF and MAYBE that I'm concerned about. :-\ Again, without rewards, who will pledge?
some ideas for real life apps needed? I have some. Non-geeks need apps too.
No tools to make these apps atm
@Graham: GitX; found another alternative very promising, even did a fetch(!) from the master branch I wanted but could find nowhere: sourcetree http://www.sourcetreeapp.com/
Maarten, some thoughts about all this. IMO R3 or what it's than called is not the end product. It's an enabeling technology to make good products in a very short time.