Gregg: I don't know of a project quite like Ren that uses Trello. Perhaps the closest project in recent times is CommonMark that uses a combination of GitHub and Discourse.
Arnold: Mac OS X--another private group that requires logging into AltMe to view.
Gregg
I'm familiar with CommonMark. The initial spec was solidified before Discourse, correct?
Pekr
Altme losing messages is mostly a myth
Rebolek
Gregg, just a clarification, Humanistic on GitHub is organization with ten members including you, so feel free to update the stuff there.
Gregg
Thanks.
Pekr
Rebolek - 10 members? Oh my, that is almost more, than Rebol and Red counted together :-)
Chris
Gregg: I don't know--do you have a reference for the origins of the original specs? Seems beside the point though--to reiterate, there is already more than one island of discussion happening on the formalisation of Rebol (whether that is Ren--if you think of it as such--or just a formalisation of Rebol). Perhaps that's for the best, all told. Just felt it worth pointing out and trying to suggest an alternative.
Petr: rediculous--I've been using AltMe as long as anyone, I'm painfully aware that it's more than 'mostly' a myth.
-- Ridiculous, argh: where's the edit button?
Petr: SO Chat room for [Rebol and Red] (and none of which are Brian D.)
...has 12 owners...
PeterWood
Perhaps the discussion about using an alternative to AltME could be continued in a more relevant channel. Perhaps self would be appropriate.
Gregg
Thanks Peter.
Gregg
Ren isn't just a formalization of Rebol, since it isn't compatible, though it is in a sense. ren-data.org says what it is, with a strong influence being a desire for interchange between REBOL-like languages.
Pekr
Well, if my understanding is correct, REN has nothing to do with Rebol/Red, apart from being implemented first for the Rebol like languages ....
I have looked at ren-data.org for the first time, and only now I realised, how bad it is :-( Who is this site for? Apart from being aesthetically displeasing (yellow bg color? common), it seems like it is written for the programmers, who know parsers and are supposed to port it to other languages? Not sure this is aproach, which is going to sell the ideas. Such stuff should be imo put into some subsection and front page should be more "marketing" oriented, showing some examples, dialects, without any grammar info ...
Ah, I just got to the json.org site, all clear now. It is terrible, how such popular technology can dare to be represented by such "web site" ... but - that's a different discussion ....
Gregg
Sorry you don't like it Petr, it's all me, but you understand the target audience it's directed at.
Chris
Gregg: despite different end-points, it's likely that 95% (a made-up number) of Ren would be cross-applicable with any formalisation of Rebol, at least as I see it. Perhaps not?
Pekr
I thought, that in regards to Rebol lang ecosystem, it would be 100%?